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Hey everybody! We took a couple of weeks off and wow are we excited to be back! Too much? Yeah, well we’re back and that’s as far as the enthusiasm goes. This last year-plus of blogging is catching up and we need a nice, recharging vacation where we can bask in our love and let it all hang out. We’re not talking about nude sun bathing on some European beach (although if there is a European Resort who wants to sponsor that, we would definitely consider it). We feel a little like Greta Garbo right now. All dressed up in a snazzy hat with the back of a hand to our forehead moaning, ‘I want to be alone!’


Lee says: Privacy is something we all harp about and have no real concept of what it is. Many of us use the word to mean seclusion while others use it as a means to hide shame. Well, I’m here to be the bearer of bad news when I say that your definition and my definition will probably be very different and we will both be right and it doesn’t really matter because if you do privacy wrong you end up messing up your life and causing more problems than you would have had if you hadn’t gotten on this privacy kick to start out with…(breathe)!


Why the run on sentence created to give you temporary light headedness? Easy, we need to wake up to the myth of privacy. As relationship writers, we often are asked ‘how much privacy should I demand/get?’ This question is asked in regards to all types of relationships including marriage and parenting. Our answer usually is pretty shocking to all of our readers; none. The reason for this answer is because of how people define the word privacy.


If you take the definition to be ‘seclusion’ then that would entail your separation from your spouse and children. So in the case of your kids, if we give them privacy we are granting them seclusion. Or if we understand the word to mean ‘hiding of shame’ then we are granting our loved ones a vault to store some information that will ultimately hurt them. Shame and seclusion has no place in loving relationships.


No, I know there are a bunch of people reading this jumping up and down screaming ‘You’re full of shit, Lee!’ Just know you aren’t the first to say that. However, in this case, I know I am right. So many people live lives filled with shame and wear their privacy like a one ton badge of honor on their backs. They approach each relationship with the meta-message of ‘If you only knew what I hold private, you would never love me’. These are the big proponents of privacy, the locks on the bathroom/bedroom doors and diaries with locks on them. They raise their kids with similar ‘vault’ mentalities and teach them the need for a ‘public’ and ‘private’ face.


What I have to say to all these people is, ‘Who cares?’ Trust me when I say that nothing in your vault is that scary or unique. Unless you spent your summer killing one of your friends and then the next school semester being hunted down by someone for payback, your story is not very original. I am not belittling you. I am setting you free of the shame. Your stories of masturbation, bad thoughts, petty thefts, sexcapades, questionable behaviors, bad judgment and the general belief you are a shitty human being are as common as liking soup. Privacy is a sham meant not to keep us out but keep you from us. Woah, now that’s a twist!


Paul says: I’m back from vacation and I have nothing to say on the topic. I have no clue what privacy is. Usually I have one or more people in the bathroom with me and, if I do close the door, it is to shut out the constant questions of my two young boys. Plus, they laugh when I fart, then I start laughing, then I fart some more… It’s a never-ending cycle.

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Pilar asks: Does a child from 13 to whatever age 17, 18, 19 have the right to privacy? I mean if we are concerned about something regarding your son/daughter don’t we have the right to go into their myspace for example. I have been talking to several parents and they seem to think if they are living under my roof they have no privacy. My thoughts exactly but some parents believe it’s unethical to go through their myspace.

Or to even say to them in another situation you are not going out tonight if they are 18 or over. I feel if I have reason to think that they can’t go out that’s it period the end. Not just because they are 18 we can’t tell them what to do anymore.

Is it just latin parents that feel this way? (Like I do)

What do you guys think?

Paul says: No, kids do not have privacy but they do have boundaries. Privacy, the way that I think you are using it here, has a connotation of ownership and I do come from the ‘you don’t own shit’ school of parenting. Children are chattel, albeit very special property. (Oh, my children must love me.) We have the right to have as many houses, car and children as we want, no matter how ill conceived the idea may be. If we didn’t, then Octo-mom would never have been allowed to have the second litter. If the child wants to own their space then they need to get a job and a mortgage.

That being said, there is a sense of boundaries. Though a child does not own their space, they can make the statement that the space is important to them and you can honor that statement, giving it importance also. This gives the child a sense of propriety without ownership. I always knock on my daughter’s door but I do not necessarily wait for her to allow me access.

Speaking to the important part of your question, entering the area that you have both agreed is important gives a clear message. You are saying ‘I do not trust you’.  Now, before your react, check in with yourself. That may be the statement that you want to make. If, as an example, you think that your child is using drugs, then you do not trust their judgment. It that is the message, then say it. If you cannot look your kid in the eye and tell them that you do not trust them and why with what they need to do to earn your trust, then don’t go in the room. You can’t handle it.

Lee says: Isn’t he cute? He thought she meant my space not a ‘Myspace’ page.  Pilar, I totally hear you. Like I have said before, our only job is to keep them safe. We do this by teaching them right from wrong, how to wash and that sticking cheerios up their nose is bad. Part of keeping them safe is also protecting them from the big bad world. There are some sick fucks who prey on weak kids. By definition, a weak child is one who has parents who are not involved in their lives. 

          When our daughter wanted a ‘myspace’, we helped her set it up and kept her password. Paul and I created our own page to monitor her. The same thing happened when she joined Facebook. I joined to watch her and once again, I have her user name and password. A few months ago, she posted a picture of herself on Facebook which we deemed inappropriate because she appeared seductive. That was totally our judgment but it didn’t matter. She removed the picture.    

          I agree with my better half that kids have boundaries not privacy. The semantics are important. Privacy has more to do with secrecy and boundaries delineate levels of safety. Since we don’t believe in secrecy, boundaries always win over. Only one bedroom is allowed to be locked in our home; that’s ours. The lock is a boundary (we will have a post soon regarding bedroom rules). The boundary is to keep the kids from being scarred and that is the only time the door is locked. 

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